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Everyone has a story to tell.
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We connect and relate to one another when we share our stories.
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My name is Amelia Old, and I am your host of Voices of Inspiration.
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Join me as I share stories of friends, family, and strangers through my everyday life and travels.
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You will laugh, possibly cry, but walk away feeling connected more than ever to those around you and ready to be the change our world needs.
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Everyone has a story to tell.
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What's yours?
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Hello, my friends.
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Thank you for joining me today.
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I am so excited about this episode.
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It's probably one of my favorites thus far.
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I chat with my friend Patty Davis, who I met a few years ago during a press trip to St.
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Simon's Island in Georgia.
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Patty recently made the move to Portugal with her husband after having never spent a significant amount of time there.
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So we talk about her move and the challenges that have come along with that.
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And we also talk about the entertainment industry and travel, traveling to filming locations.
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And Patty turns the tables and interviews me, and we talk about what led to me purchasing a farm during the pandemic.
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This is one episode you will not want to miss.
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You ready?
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I am but it is.
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So we met like we just talked, we're talking about this like five, six, seven years ago in St.
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Simon's, which has become one of my favorite places now.
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Like I've now taken my family there a few times and I've even started looking at real estate there because I love it.
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I love it.
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That was one of those press trips where you know how you all you go on press trips and fine, you're there to tell a story.
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But that was one of those places I'm like, okay, I think I can come and live here.
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Absolutely.
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It was such a good time.
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We had so much fun together.
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Now, had you been there a couple of times?
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I had been there.
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I want to say maybe I'd been there once before.
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I think I'd been to the that's so nice.
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Yeah, I love it.
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And my family loves it now too.
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Um, but you just made a big move in your life.
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I did.
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My husband and I moved to Portugal.
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So how did that happen?
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Well, we had been planning a trip to Lisbon because everyone said, Oh, you've got to go and see Portugal, you're gonna love it.
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And it wasn't really on our radar.
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There's always other places to go, Paris or Amsterdam.
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And um, then the real estate market was really good.
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And we people kept asking, Are you gonna sell your house?
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Are you gonna sell your house?
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I'm like, well, where would we go?
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And that went from where would we go to where could we go?
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So we really had nothing else holding us.
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Our our dogs we had had for 15 years had passed in the last couple of years.
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We have no children.
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We said, you know what?
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The time is right.
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We tried to sell the house in 2017, 2018, not a bite.
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Nobody wanted to put a bid on it, nobody came but look at it barely.
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Same house, it's nothing different.
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This time we put the house on the market for a bigger price tag, and it was it sold in three days.
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Wow.
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And you're like and you were in Atlanta, right?
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We were we're in Atlanta.
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That was our home, that was my home for 30 years.
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And um, we had net at this point, we had never even been to Portugal.
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It was just like a thought in your mind, like this might be a nice place to go.
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Fun little dream.
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We had done a little research, we'd done some research on it and we sold the house.
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We closed on April 27th.
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By May 10th, we were in Portugal looking around and seeing what would work for us.
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And we're like, hopefully, we're gonna love it because we just sold our house.
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Was there ever a fear like we're we're not gonna love it?
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Heck yeah.
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Heck yeah.
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I mean, we didn't know.
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We had no concept of what it was like here, and even with um the language is so this is a funny word to use for it, but it's so foreign.
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Like, you know, you know everyone takes a little bit of Spanish in high school, you know Italian because you eat in Italian restaurants, you know, a little bit of French because you know, fashion and and right things the media that you're so used to, you know, in putting into your um Wixicot every day, but nobody speaks Portuguese, you know, that's not something that's you hear all the time.
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Yeah.
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So it was really it's it's a difficult language to learn, but we we learned the basics, we learned how to say hello, good morning, good afternoon, thank you.
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Off we went.
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So we came here May 10th.
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We loved it and we traveled around a little bit.
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There's we went to Lisbon First, which is gorgeous, but really big, a little too big for us.
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And we went out to Malidish, which is out on the coast.
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Christian Lacroix?
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No, Christian Louettan is building a hotel out there.
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Oh George Clooney is rumored to be bringing building a hotel out there too.
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Oh, well, I guess I need to visit.
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Nice, but remote, really, really remote.
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So I'm like, okay, this is a little too far away.
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So we came back in and went to Stubel, which is kind of like just like a almost a suburb of Lisbon.
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It's about 30 minutes or 40 minutes on the train, and it's a little seaside town.
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And this is where we decided to be.
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It's just lovely, it's quaint.
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Um, we do live across the street from a couple of nightclubs.
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So at night it gets a little loud when it's lively when we need for it to be lively and it's calm when we need for it to be calm.
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Fun fact when I did um my so I'm super, super into genealogy and ancestry and stuff.
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And so I've done a couple DNA tests.
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And when I got one of them back, um I ended up, you know, having Portuguese ancestors and I had no idea about that.
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And so that's something that I've been working on and doing some research on lately.
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So I thought that that was interesting when when we moved there, and I was like, I'm just finding this piece out about my background and uh yeah, yeah, visit me.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Yeah, if I can, if I can um, you know, really break it down on who my ancestors were, you know, from that area, that would be really cool.
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That's one of those I'm just starting to crack.
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So it might take some time.
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Nothing but time.
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So was there a specific reason why Portugal over somewhere else out of everywhere in the world?
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Yeah, of course, you know, we wanted to be someplace that was a little more familiar to us.
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We've been to Spain, we love Barcelona, but the the requirements for getting there and for I mean, for putting money in the bank account and for um just jumping through hoops red tape-wise, Portugal seemed to be the easiest one of all.
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There's there's very little time needed to become a citizen when we decided to do that.
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We can have a dual citizenship, don't have to give up our United States citizenship, and that only takes about five years.
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In Spain, it would take 10 years, and they wanted you to have lots of health checkups and stuff you needed to show before you entered the country.
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Not that that's a big deal, but still it was it was a longer time to become a citizen in Spain than Portugal.
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The Portuguese people are really excited to have people here.
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It you know, I think maybe 10 years ago, it was not the place it is now.
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Like it's a everybody wants to be here.
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So we're reading more and more about people coming here and a lot of people from the UK.
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We met so many people from Germany and the Netherlands and the you know, the United Kingdom that just are all moving to Portugal.
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It's just a better quality of life, it's super safe.
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You can walk around in the middle of the night, nobody's gonna bother you.
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And still, you know, I think in Atlanta, we lived in a neighborhood that was being gentrified, gorgeous old historic neighborhood.
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But hearing gunshots wasn't unusual.
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It wasn't even surprising after a while.
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And here, when you hear anything like that, you just kind of you realize, okay, we might have a little bit of PTSD from from living in the States and especially the political climate.
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Don't want to get into politics, but it's I just feel a lot safer here.
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I can understand that.
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And I I spent quite a few years in Atlanta, and so I definitely know what you mean.
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I I remember when I first moved to Atlanta, like I don't know, maybe 2001, 2002.
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You know, there were millions of people there then.
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And now 20 years on, it's it's I I went there recently over the summer.
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I went there actually, um, and spent just a weekend there.
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And I was in the midtown area.
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And my kids were like, oh, you know, mom, didn't you have a place here, an apartment here?
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And I was like, Yeah, and they were like, Where?
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I said, honestly, I could not even tell you where it was compared to what things look like now.
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I was so lost.
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Yeah, I'm sure that even going back, even going back when we were gone for the summer and came back in August, it was it was changed.
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It was just a few months.
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I love Atlanta.
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I mean, all of our closest friends were there, except where we have our very closest in Florida as well.
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But it was just time for us to make a change.
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Yeah.
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So also we're so close to everything.
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We always wanted to explore Europe, and we're only just a quick little two-hour plane ride to Paris or to the Netherlands, which we got a chance to do this summer, which was really fun.
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That's so nice and convenient.
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My in-laws live in England.
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Uh, my husband's from England, and so all of our in-laws are there.
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And I, you know, I always envy them because it is so easy for them to travel to other places, you know.
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It's whereas we're kind of limited, you know, domestically, and they're like, oh, we're gonna go to Greece or we're going to Spain or, you know.
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Um is so close.
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Everything's so close.
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Yeah, yeah, that's definitely a benefit.
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What um were some of the challenges in that as an expat and making this change from moving from the States to Portugal?
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Um, coming as an immigrant, I like to use the word immigrant.
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I think expat has got a real sense of privilege that that worry has got a sense of privilege to it that has a lot of historical, um, so what I'm looking for, just not good intonations to it.
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We're just as much an immigrant as anybody coming over from Europe to the United States.
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So, but the language is really, really tough.
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The only way I can print describe it is it sounds mushy.
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Like every, like all the S's are everything there's like there's a lot of guttural sounds, yeah.
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Just not something you're used to hearing.
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Um, like in our our apartment, we don't have we have a washer, but no dryer.
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Usually it's sunny, so you can like everyone has like these langer things you put on the patio and you can dry everything, but it's been raining like crazy.
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We read somewhere it's it only rains 10 days a year in Portugal.
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No, no, it's been raining a lot in Portugal.
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It rains almost every day since we've been here.
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We've been here a month today.
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We you know, we sold our car in in the States before we left, so not having a car is weird.
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But there's we can walk to everything.
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We can walk to all the grocery stores, we can walk to all the restaurants and cafes, um, hop on a train in 30 minutes to New York and Lisbon.
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There's tons of Uber and bolts, and it's super inexpensive to take a take an Uber here, like I don't know, seven bucks to get across the city.
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So as opposed to the same trip in Atlanta would have been$25.
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Right.
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What are some of the things that you would recommend if someone was um considering making a similar change?
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What are some of the things that um you would suggest doing even before even before a move, like the beginning, you know, the the thought process and maybe some of the things that um people need to get together before they want to make a move like this?
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Absolutely.
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I did a lot of research and on Facebook, there's a couple of groups on there.
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There's one called something like American Friends in PT.
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And that that Facebook page was integral to everything we did.
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They gave us a list of every single thing we needed to do for our um visa application.
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It was a piece of cake.
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Without them, I don't know how we would have done it.
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A lot of people hire a lot of um companies that do that type of thing.
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We were able to do this without that, without that help and that that extra expense.
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Um, so and absolutely, I would say look at your websites and on um anywhere on the internet, watch the YouTube videos, get on Facebook and look those those um groups up because they're gonna be able to tell you and answer so many questions that you're gonna have because there's so many, there's so many questions we had.
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We also have a, I don't know what we we consider her, we call her our fixer, or she's our person here in Stubel, and she has set up everything for us.
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She set up our electric, our water, she's doing our social security cards here, our residency cards, everything we need that we can't do because a lot of people don't speak English.
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Like a lot of the people in these in these offices don't speak English.
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So you're just kind of at a at an absolute disadvantage.
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Also, the one thing we learned was don't get rid of your American telephone number until you're totally integrated.
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We gave it up and we did it too soon.
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And there were times when we needed to and said, we're gonna text your number.
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I'm like, I don't have that number anymore.
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Oh so and it made a lot of things really difficult.
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Banking, when there was like a snappy with the banking, I they couldn't reach me.
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We were able to get things done, but keep your keep your um American telephone number until you've been here for a while.
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And just, you know, if you can can get here and do some research before you move, that's better.
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We're gonna be here, you know, for you know, long term, but I don't know if we're gonna be in Stuba long term, but we're gonna get a chance to see the rest of the country and see where we want to settle down.
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Um, it's inexpensive to live here, but if you can find someone who's a a fixer or a helper when you get to the the city that you want to be in for you know at least a short term, do that because they're gonna be everything to you.
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They're gonna be set up your entire life.
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That's bigger.
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That's good that there are those services available now, you know.
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Yeah.
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And also I think with anything, really, we're so lucky that we do have YouTube and Facebook groups.
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And I think I use Facebook groups more than other um form of resources these days from everything, anything from anything from rock hounding to local garage sales, you know, archaeology, what you know, everything everybody.
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So, what are some of your favorite things to do in the area that you've gotten a chance?
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I know that on Sunday, I think it was Sunday, that you had the opportunity to go to the market in Lisbon.
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What are some some of the other things that you can do?
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Lisbon is so fun.
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And you just jump on the train and go.
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And uh, we went to a place called the LX Factory, and they have a market there during, I think it's every Sunday, just Sundays.
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But the the whole factory is just a whole bunch of different shops and restaurants and bars.
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Super, super fun.
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I think that the markets and the the places to shop are really cool.
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Here in Stubel, we have one of the most gorgeous fresh markets.
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Like you walk in and there's all the fresh fish laying out, and it's kind of it's it's almost a little bit of a shock because you're not used to seeing that in a grocery store at Kroger at Publix and the tons of fresh vegetables and nuts and dried fruit and anything you can possibly imagine, except for, of course, you know, your cleaning supplies, which you have to go to a regular grocery store for.
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So yeah, I think the that um the markets are really just kind of the number one thing that every almost every corner there's a bakery, which is dangerous, but fabulous.
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That's nice.
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That's one thing that my husband complains about here in the States.
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He says you can't find good bread or anything like you can, you know, in other countries.
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Yeah, and honestly, if you like fish and you like seafood, we're that's that's what they're all about here.
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There's a restaurant in Lisbon called Ramiro that is just incredible.
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Um you can go and and everything is also super inexpensive compared to the states.
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You know, we were in here in in Europe from May 10th until like almost the very beginning of August.
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And we then we came home to the States to kind of get our visa set up and get ready to go.
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We were there from August until um mid to late October.
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And it was just like, oh my gosh, the sticker shock of what everything costs in the States was extreme compared to being here in Europe and especially here in Portugal.
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Yeah, I mean it is, especially when it comes to fresh products, uh, you know, vegetables and things like that.
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Here in and here in um Portugal, I think all over Europe, they don't allow the same types of additives to the food that they do in the United States.
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They're just really, really strict about what goes into the food, even the prepared food.
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So which I think it's a healthier way of living all the way around.
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Now you've traveled the world.
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I mean, you've been to, I think, like over 14 countries, is it?
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We've been to a bunch of places, yeah.
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What has been, other than you know, now you're in Portugal in a new place, what has been one of your favorite destinations, favorite adventures?
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Buenos Aires, Argentina.
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The people there just stole my heart.
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It's beautiful there, the food is amazing.
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I just loved everything about it.
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And after we got here, we're like, why didn't why didn't we look at Buenos Aires?
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But um, I think we wanted something that was gonna be clear.
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We always wanted to tour Europe and see everything in Europe.
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So this had everything we wanted to see in one place, so we chose Europe.
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Another thing that you and I have in common beyond travel is the TV film industry, which is not something that I don't think either one of us really clicked on when we met the first time.